griffferg Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Hi, I don't really understand the RCA. If my player's RCA is lower than his CA, if I match it will it edit his attributes? Am hoping I can get my player even better by reducing the CA to the RCA. Please let me know! Thanks so much!!! Edited February 24, 2022 by awais0527 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Hello everyone, Could anyone please clarify the relation between RCA and CA? I'm running into situations where I match the CA with the RCA (after I edited some of the stats) and within an in-game month, most of the player stats drop in game. As a result, the shown RCA is actually lower than the CA. This difference between these two is different for each player, For some players this can be zero (meaning the stats don't drop after editing them) and for some players it can be up to 10 (See images down below). Would this be caused by the fact that the RCA is not calculated / shown correctly? Additionally, I don't think checking the "match CA with RCA" changes anything with this problem. Example explanation (images): - Player stats were edited to have a RCA of 149. I matched the CA with it by manually entering it. - Player stats dropped after a bit of in-game time and FMRTE now shows a RCA of 139. - If I try editing it again, same thing keeps happening. For this player, the difference seems to be reverting to 10. Any additional information or a solution for this would be a massive help for me. Additionally, if this turns out to be a bug, it could help improve the program. Thanks a lot in advance Game version: FM 22.2.0.0 FMRTE version: FMRTE 22 Build 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyfox Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Thank you for the detailed explanation. This is a new feature so there is very likely some bugs to be fixed. Only one of the developers can respond accurately to this. @BraCa @GoBLiN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Hi A few points are you running app as suggested? secondly have you increased the PA too have you tried using the freezer option to keep attributes from regressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, culturedleftfoot said: Hi A few points are you running app as suggested? secondly have you increased the PA too have you tried using the freezer option to keep attributes from regressing What exactly do you mean by running app as suggested? In this case the PA stays the same (200, max for this player) during editing. I have not tried the freezer option, but I don't think I want to, as I want my players to grow somewhat naturally during the carreer. I just want to know why this is happening and possibly solve / work-around it, in case I do want to edit some of my players, or new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mark Janssen said: What exactly do you mean by running app as suggested? In this case the PA stays the same (200, max for this player) during editing. I have not tried the freezer option, but I don't think I want to, as I want my players to grow somewhat naturally during the carreer. I just want to know why this is happening and possibly solve / work-around it, in case I do want to edit some of my players, or new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 22 hours ago, culturedleftfoot said: If you mean running it as administrator? No, I have not been doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 you need to run app as administrator as pointed out in the linked thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 29, 2021 Report Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 9:42 PM, culturedleftfoot said: you need to run app as administrator as pointed out in the linked thread I have done now. but doing so, does not in fact change the RCA - CA difference. So I'm asssuming the problem I described above would still persist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hi @Mark Janssen Regarding your opening post just to be clear has the attributes you edited dropped or is it just the CA ? as I take it they havent it is just the CA if this is the case report as a bug- copy and paste your initial post just cover the fact that the attributes are unchanged from using the RCA as said earlier in thread if you want to have a workaround - fixed CA etc you need to use the freezer option-[this gives you the option to allow selected attributes to be fixed/not fixed it is a users choice what you pick] without using the freezer CA for all players/staff in game obviously go up and down due to various factors [age being the main one] as they should, they cant keep going up everyone regresses so the CA will reflect that,[but the attributes would also drop and the CA would drop accordingly over time, but here if I understand you correctly this is happening rapidly so that seems to be a bug] the PA should stay fixed no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 16 hours ago, culturedleftfoot said: Hi @Mark Janssen Regarding your opening post just to be clear has the attributes you edited dropped or is it just the CA ? as I take it they havent it is just the CA if this is the case report as a bug- copy and paste your initial post just cover the fact that the attributes are unchanged from using the RCA as said earlier in thread if you want to have a workaround - fixed CA etc you need to use the freezer option-[this gives you the option to allow selected attributes to be fixed/not fixed it is a users choice what you pick] without using the freezer CA for all players/staff in game obviously go up and down due to various factors [age being the main one] as they should, they cant keep going up everyone regresses so the CA will reflect that,[but the attributes would also drop and the CA would drop accordingly over time, but here if I understand you correctly this is happening rapidly so that seems to be a bug] the PA should stay fixed no matter what The attributes I edited dropped back after a bit of in game time, after I matched the CA with the RCA that was given to me by editing the attributes. The steps are explained in the original post. So to me it seems that there is difference between the CA and RCA for some players that will stay the same, and as a result will downgrade the player when the RCA and CA are set the same. To me the most logical explanation would be that the RCA is wrongly calculated. As I mentioned earlier, I have no interest in freezing player stats. I want my players to grow over time. But I would like to have an explanation/solution for why my player gets downgraded after editing, to comply with a difference (between CA and RCA) that has to be present for some players. I can work around it, but I just want to know why my players just seem to get "worse" after the attribute editing and matching the CA with the RCA. It feels like the player, as a result, is worse than he could've/should've actually been. (This might not actually be the case though, just a mental thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 10:39 AM, Mark Janssen said: I have not tried the freezer option, but I don't think I want to, as I want my players to grow somewhat naturally during the carreer. I just want to know why this is happening and possibly solve / work-around it, in case I do want to edit some of my players, or new players. you didnt sate initially that the attributes were dropping- if the attributes are dropping then obviously the CA will too so that explains that workaround -use the freezer option[its your choice if you dont] you state you want the players to grow somewhat naturally - you have edited their attributes that is not natural progression if you think there is a bug report it but please try the freezer option to see if it addresses the issue cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, culturedleftfoot said: you didnt sate initially that the attributes were dropping- if the attributes are dropping then obviously the CA will too so that explains that workaround -use the freezer option[its your choice if you dont] you state you want the players to grow somewhat naturally - you have edited their attributes that is not natural progression if you think there is a bug report it cheers I did mention it: "Player stats dropped after a bit of in-game time and FMRTE now shows a RCA of 139" here stats = attributes. The fact that attributes drop with CA is logical, and not the point of this forum post. I want natural progression from a starting set of attrbutes/CA. So in this case the player was edited to be 149 in CA (139 according to RCA) and grow them to their set potential. I don't think you fully grasp what I am trying to say, but I will try and make a bug report out of it and see what happens with it. Thanks anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Beruh Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 what (I believe) is happening here is that the RCA as calculated by FMRTE does not take secondary positions into account, while in the ingame RCA theyre worth quite a few points. so the more secondary positions a player is capable of playing, the more inaccurate the FMRTE estimate will be. Say you have a CB with a 1 rating for every other position, 140 RCA in FMRTE will be accurate. take the same player but make it so he has a 16 as a DM and 16 as a RB as well, FMRTE will still show that he has 140 RCA, but the actual ingame value could be as high as 160. the game doesn't reduce positional ability when it lowers your attributes to match the RCA so it will cut your regular attributes by even more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 3:20 AM, Tanner Beruh said: what (I believe) is happening here is that the RCA as calculated by FMRTE does not take secondary positions into account, while in the ingame RCA theyre worth quite a few points. so the more secondary positions a player is capable of playing, the more inaccurate the FMRTE estimate will be. Say you have a CB with a 1 rating for every other position, 140 RCA in FMRTE will be accurate. take the same player but make it so he has a 16 as a DM and 16 as a RB as well, FMRTE will still show that he has 140 RCA, but the actual ingame value could be as high as 160. the game doesn't reduce positional ability when it lowers your attributes to match the RCA so it will cut your regular attributes by even more Yeah this is what I was thinking as well. In addition to secondary positions, I think personality, traits and weaker foot (?) could be causes well. But I'm not sure if those are currently accounted for in the RCA or even should be at all (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohlegend Posted January 15, 2022 Report Share Posted January 15, 2022 me too it always drop when i try to match CA with RCA... im on built 18 and i want to freeze the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Beruh Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 12:08 AM, Mark Janssen said: Yeah this is what I was thinking as well. In addition to secondary positions, I think personality, traits and weaker foot (?) could be causes well. But I'm not sure if those are currently accounted for in the RCA or even should be at all (?). traits correctly don't factor in to RCA (nor natural fitness, aggression, flair, determination), weak foot does factor in and the FMRTE value is correct and in line with FM22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottMcD Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 Any updates for this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted January 28, 2022 Report Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ScottMcD said: Any updates for this issue? I forgot to make a bug report about it, but I can do so this weekend. Hopefully it might gain some traction and more will be known about the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
day0000 Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 Is there a fix for this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, day0000 said: Is there a fix for this yet? Hi No bug report has been submitted I did say going back a couple of months for someone to submit one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, culturedleftfoot said: Hi No bug report has been submitted I did say going back a couple of months for someone to submit one Yes I should have done so. But it totally slipped my mind, as I have been very busy. I will see if I can do it now/tonight, or else definately this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Mark Janssen said: Yes I should have done so. But it totally slipped my mind, as I have been very busy. I will see if I can do it now/tonight, or else definately this week. Ive done it for you😉 can you add your issues to that thread I will link it now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culturedleftfoot Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 users with same issues with RCA use that bug report to add your findings any reply from the Devs will be in the bug report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Janssen Posted February 14, 2022 Report Share Posted February 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, culturedleftfoot said: Ive done it for you😉 can you add your issues to that thread I will link it now Thanks I've added my issues and findings to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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